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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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fear and the oldest and strongest type

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board

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as we begin this adventure together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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where we explore the unexplained here on

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paranormal king radio network

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i'm your host lon strickler coming to

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you within a canon shot

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of historic gettysburg in the cryptid

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mecca of pennsylvania i thank you for

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joining me

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now before i introduce my guests i want

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to uh talk about

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a report i received and actually

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i received this portal a while ago and

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uh the gentleman who sent it to me

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i uh i did i did talk to him at the time

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uh but he has since passed on

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but it's a very interesting story so

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let me tell you about it uh smith county

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virginia resident swears that there was

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a hairy man in his woods

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now he saw it when he was 16 years old

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now at the age of 68 he thinks it's the

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same creature

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now this time the hairy man carried him

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home

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after he had collapsed in the woods

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so this is what he writes i've got a

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story that may be hard to believe but i

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value that's completely true

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i have lived on the same property in

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smith county virginia all my 68 years

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and i've seen a lot of strange things

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though i believe all were natural

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but there's one thing in my woods that i

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have never been able to explain

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the first time i saw it i was 16 or so

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squirrel hunting

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in the late afternoon i was sitting on a

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large rock wall

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and a lawn when i was a hairy man

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running in the hollow blooming it was

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covered top to bottom with

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short reddish brown hair the hair on its

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head and face were very long

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i think it was around six foot tall it

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made a hell of a racket moving through

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the brush crashing branches and grunting

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it then turned around and did the same

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thing on its way back

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i stood up and quickly made my way home

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i never said anything to my folks about

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what i saw

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that's the last i had seen this thing

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i was dragging old tree branches down

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into the woods when i stumbled on a tree

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i twisted my knee badly and couldn't

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i lay on the ground in pain trying to

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what i was going to do then all of a

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it's totally dark i reach over and turn

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on the porch table i had seen these

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piles of pebbles throughout the woods

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that the hairy man in the woods must

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i wonder it was the same hair man i saw

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when i was a boy

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that's the only explanation i can come

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so this week i welcome an investigator

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radio host and author shannon allegro to

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arcane radio now shannon has been

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examining the paranormal since she was a

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having had her own experience to start

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her on this path and for the past

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several years of focus on the phenomena

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that is sasquatch she strives to bring a

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fresh perspective and an open mind

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to the most intriguing mysteries in our

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universe you can hear shannon on into

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the fray radio

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she has also been a guest host on

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midnight in the desert

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you can see her in small town monsters

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on the trail of bigfoot as well as other

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film productions now her recent book is

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titled beyond the fray

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www.intothefreyradio.com so

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shannon thanks for joining me this

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evening thank you so much for having me

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and and can i just say before we get

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started that you have been kind enough

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to come on as my guest

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for not only into the fray for you know

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some of these mothman sightings in

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chicago which as you mentioned we need

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another update show on

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but you were on you and sean both came

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on with me for uh show notes with

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shannon way back in the day when i was

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still with sasquatch chronicles and and

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so i just i thank you for always being a

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part of what i'm doing

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well it's always a pleasure to talk to

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you you too lon yeah thanks for asking

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me on

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so why don't you tell the listener how

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you became interested in subject

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bigfoot you know i think most people

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that inception story either it's a

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sighting or

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the beast of boggy creek the movie got

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them into it something like that i

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cannot say so i won't make up a story

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that i remember

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the light bulb moment where i was like

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sasquatch yes this is incredible i have

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to delve into

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this deeper uh all i know is i just

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remember all of a sudden all i wanted to

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do was read about it

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and then when podcasts came around that

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was the end of it for me

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it was i couldn't get enough uh

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consuming

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anything about bigfoot especially via

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now have you had any personal

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experiences with

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and assume bigfoot i have i think

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one of the most notable i had

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was in it and you know people might kind

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of snicker a little because it's a very

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popular spot for bigfoot but

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i i i'm here to say that it changed my

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i was hopeful and i thought yeah they

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might they might be out there i think

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more just hopeful about it but after

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this i was a hopeful believer

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in that i didn't see anything but what i

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heard was astonishing to me

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and basically what happened was we were

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in the primitive campground

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in salford state park and it is titled

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bigfoot ridge again it's a little hokey

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maybe call a bigfoot in bigfoot ridge

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we had been on a service road

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it was very late at night and if

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anyone's ever been in salt fork state

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park ohio can be very

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rushy on the ground whereas if you go

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there's a lot of aspen trees and not a

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lot of brush on the ground so it's very

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nasty and thorny and thick so

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we had been on the service road and

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basically surrounded by

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lots of brush and it was 11 midnight one

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of night it was is quite late and we had

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swinging a glow stick on a string and it

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made a lovely whirring sound like in

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crocodile dundee

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it was an idea of a gentleman that we

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had run into

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and his specific reason for being there

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was bigfoot and we figured out that we

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were both there for bigfoot

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and we kind of teamed up with this man

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and he was beyond obsessed because he

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had a sighting

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of two creatures right back there and so

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lovely contraption around and taking

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our location i it must have been

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15 feet max back in the brush and this

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this excruciatingly loud

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monotone whistle it was it was loud and

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and all i can describe it is it came

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from something with a

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big old set of lungs and definitely had

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and i was standing and i just

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instinctively went to a crouching

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position i didn't really know what else

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it just was what my my brain told me to

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but there was no other sounds i didn't

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see anything you know it's not the most

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impactful story but that sound

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alone that whistle alone i it really

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turned me around

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after all the years i had been reading

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and listening to podcasts and i went

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oh my god i i really really think that

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these guys are out here

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there's no was not a human being and it

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certainly wasn't a

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a massive messed up bird with lips or

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anything you know sitting on the ground

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brush at 11 o'clock at night so

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that was kind of a turning point for me

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you know i've been out on other

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excursions for bigfoot in washington

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not only you know maybe some bigfoot

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type stuff

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but seeing an orb in in the forest

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you know walking walking floating

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through the woods we thought it was a

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person walking with a headlamp on or

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running because it was

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freezing cold the rain's coming down

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we're like look at this guy

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and he's got to be freezing we were in

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this dilapidated building

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taking shelter from this cold rain and

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lo and behold the second week of the

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thermal up this orb

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i describe it as it noticed us noticing

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it and then it dove basically into the

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ground

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we couldn't pick up a thermal signature

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on this thing at all so it wasn't a

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person with a headlamp on

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so i i don't like to tie things in

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automatically i mean anything is

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possible

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we can't discount anything and no one's

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an expert so um

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you know it's all conjecture but it was

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interesting to be out there for the

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purposes of bigfoot and then lo and

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behold

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i see the light in the woods and there

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was actually several of us out there

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there was five of us and we all saw it

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but

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um i i don't know it may all tie in

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yeah you know soft fork state park that

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place has definitely got something going

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on there

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i um i've got at least two members

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of my team that have had an experience

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there and i've consistently heard

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reports

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out of there for many many years i i

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don't know i guess it's just a hot spot

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but uh you know i i don't know can you

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explain it can you

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kind of give an understanding to people

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what it is about that location well you

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know one of the theories that has

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been postured about that area which

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makes sense is that it would run

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and also through your state is it it

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acts as basically a corridor and they

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can move

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through several states really uh

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undetected in in cover and depending on

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food sources and water sources and

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probably the time of year

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uh we're assuming that they would be

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smart enough to migrate and i think that

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we all have settled on that they are

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especially after the reports that we get

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and the interactions that people have

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with these things

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down to even tactical movements so why

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wouldn't they be smart enough to move

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from place to pace

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place excuse me when they need to so

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the salt fork though has a massive body

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of water

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and uh plenty of cover and yeah there

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are people in and out of there

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but it's it's not a place where

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even in the in the hunting areas i've

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gotten

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some interesting uh reports

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even during hunting season but that's

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because they you know they're kind of

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moving on the outskirts of that and

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and these guys were like well it wasn't

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technically hunting season when we were

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there but it was close

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you know i've i've always believed or

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maybe theorized

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that there there does seem to be a

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corridor

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between several states i'd say like

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southeast

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um ohio into kentucky over into west

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virginia virginia maryland and up into

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pennsylvania

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almost like a loop and um it does seem

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that uh there may very well be some type

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of migration

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at some points in the year i really

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don't know what it is i just haven't

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you know i i've heard so many reports

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within that

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area that you know

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i'm just wondering if it is very

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possible

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that it may be a migration route that

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kind of

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circles all those those states

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yeah it certainly would make sense and

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you know unfortunately solve fork has

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gained some notoriety in the last week

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or two of that awful

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video that's come out and you know not

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to give those

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folks any more you know clicks but

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goodness gracious you know and then the

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the mainstream news glamps onto that

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stuff and

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it's so easy to see that it's a man yeah

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and

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unfortunate

387
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well that scream was the worst oh my

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gosh

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uh yeah i mean you know i i

390
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it's interesting how the uh

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the media will pick up on something like

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that i mean the ignorance

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over the phenomena within the media is

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just

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clicks value maybe

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i mean i'm pretty sure the guys who

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actually did the

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video did it to get some notoriety but

399
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uh yeah it was pretty bad

400
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it's unfortunate yeah it's like do they

401
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need the content that bad for the

402
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nightly news

403
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or did they just get a kick out of you

404
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know making those of us that actually

405
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take it seriously

406
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look like fools you know which we're

407
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really trying to battle against

408
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videos like that and people that come up

409
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with just

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stories off the top of their head that

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are just just wild however though

412
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that story that you told in the

413
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beginning is is very interesting to me

414
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because

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obviously this man was on the same

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property basically his whole life so it

417
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it stands to reason that this uh hairy

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man as he called it hairy man of the

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woods

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just knew him and knew he was a good

421
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dude and he needed help one day

422
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you know yeah i mean i i wouldn't really

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call him habituation but he was used to

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him being around

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and of course when he saw he was in

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distress he most likely picked him up

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and took him home

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yeah so yeah and you know we've heard

429
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stories similar to that

430
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as well so uh that may very well be

431
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uh the facts in that account

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um you know you were talking about the

433
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old uh i mean these uh

434
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these faked and hoax videos of bigfoot

435
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and i just noticed something the other

436
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day that's make

437
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that's circulating again is the old

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gable film uh

439
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:12,639
the michigan dog man oh gosh that thing

440
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:14,560
is coming out again and people

441
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:17,120
see that yeah people have been posting

442
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:17,759
it again

443
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:19,920
and you know that thing was debunked

444
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almost a decade ago

445
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,240
yeah so unfortunately i guess when new

446
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people get into looking

447
00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:30,079
for you know exactly yeah they see that

448
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they go crazy and they just i gotta post

449
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:33,759
this this is something

450
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:37,040
remarkable and then you know it's a dog

451
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:39,199
man video it's right here

452
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you're like no no no no no let's let

453
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that go

454
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hey lana i was gonna ask you about you

455
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you brought up

456
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you said the word loop and then it

457
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reminded me of the lycan loop

458
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how many bigfoot reports do you get in

459
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or even around the lychen loop

460
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or is that you know what a lot of people

461
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think like they have their section

462
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and then the bigfooter over here in

463
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their section you know

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uh you know butch has brought this up

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before

466
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and i think he's right the area

467
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where we've been getting these uh

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00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:13,760
upright canine reports

469
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and that that's a loop an oval that

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extends from

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allegheny state forest

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southeast into york county pennsylvania

473
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now the area itself

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especially the central part of the state

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has been

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devoid of bigfoot accounts

477
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for a while now i mean there there is

478
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one once in a while but it's not like it

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is in western pennsylvania

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and in uh other parts it just seems to

481
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be

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that we're getting more upright canine

483
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reports than

484
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:55,440
the bigfoot reports now are they

485
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separating themselves

486
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i guess it's possible it seems to us

487
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that um the ridgelines

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are a an area where the

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dog man upright canines kind of take

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advantage

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of when they're moving about like going

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north and south

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uh like the uh the blue ridge of south

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ridge south mountain ridge that

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it's in the appalachias and uh

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the bigfoot don't seem to utilize that

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uh

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if they do it's in the valleys that's

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you know because you know we

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most of our reports of of uh

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uh upright canines are in higher areas

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so uh there may be something to that

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uh you know it's it's you know we do

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have some

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specific areas in the state where

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these upright canines have been

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concentrated

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namely uh in clearfield county but

509
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center county

510
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cambria and uh blair county they seem to

511
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be the hot spots

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and uh you know as far as getting

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bigfoot reports in those areas we just

514
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haven't been getting any

515
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well that that is very interesting then

516
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i've always wanted to

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to talk to you about that because i mean

518
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it's the

519
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age-old question you know would a dog

520
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man win against a bigfoot or vice versa

521
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you know um or do they

522
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just they tend to just go hey this is my

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area

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and they just know which section is

525
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there they segregate themselves

526
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i mean lon you've had your own bigfoot

527
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experience

528
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and now you're taking all these reports

529
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of

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00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:42,320
these upright canines i mean would you

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ever want to see one of those

532
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:48,799
well from the descriptions i've received

533
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no exactly no i totally

534
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,400
agree yeah these things are massive yeah

535
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:55,600
and they

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they stand their ground

537
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:01,520
uh we we unfortunately have had no

538
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,520
reports of

539
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:06,240
well you know real aggression there have

540
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:06,880
been some

541
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,159
threats but no real aggression you know

542
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:11,679
we've had witnesses who have been

543
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:14,720
armed and come up to face to face these

544
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:15,600
things and just

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00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:18,799
do not attempt to take a shot at it

546
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,440
right so you know uh i don't know what

547
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:22,960
that's all about but no

548
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,960
most of these things run anywhere from

549
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:26,480
eight to ten foot in height

550
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,440
and they're huge so yeah the

551
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:31,440
descriptions of them being

552
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,760
a slender but looking just ultimately

553
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,919
more powerful than a human being even

554
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,880
armed

555
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,640
it gives you pause and like you said

556
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they're always ill-tempered and they do

557
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,600
stand their ground they don't care if

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00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:44,559
people see them

559
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:47,679
yeah no we had one and

560
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uh i mean i know the shows with you

561
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:53,760
the guests but i will say this uh we had

562
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,559
we had a

563
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:57,120
report up near tuscarora state forest

564
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,240
where we had a hunter

565
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:01,280
up in treestand who had what we think

566
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,320
was a dog man

567
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:04,960
because it was a quadruped but this

568
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,120
thing he said it was shaped like a hyena

569
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,600
and probably just as big if not bigger

570
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,760
and had a wolf head and the thing sat

571
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,000
there in the field looking up at him

572
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:17,200
for about 15 minutes just daring him do

573
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,640
something

574
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:21,520
see having my own siding not of a

575
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,480
bigfoot

576
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,640
or a dog man for five seconds you know a

577
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:25,760
full five seconds

578
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:28,720
that seemed like a long time for 15

579
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:29,520
minutes

580
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:32,799
of that would be i mean good luck trying

581
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,679
to sleep again

582
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,440
he pro does he hunt anymore i mean does

583
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,039
he even go in the woods anymore

584
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,799
i don't know but i know he stayed up in

585
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,320
that in that

586
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,960
uh two hours before he even thought

587
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:43,360
about

588
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,720
that i bet and even then he's probably

589
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,520
still going

590
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,159
i hope i make it out of here because of

591
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,840
what i just saw i mean that it just

592
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,720
seems so

593
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,480
unnatural and all of a sudden you're

594
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,240
going oh my god

595
00:22:02,789 --> 00:21:59,520
that is like nothing i've ever seen in a

596
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,799
a mammal's book you know well the

597
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,640
the one interesting aspect of what's

598
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,080
been what's going on here in

599
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,679
pennsylvania

600
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,159
is that we have been in contact with

601
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,200
pennsylvania game commission officers

602
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,280
and it's been several of them actually

603
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,840
you have had sightings

604
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:20,159
and uh now officially they will not say

605
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,200
anything

606
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,440
when you confidentially they will tell

607
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:25,520
you what they're seeing

608
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,640
uh yeah they they definitely believe

609
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,320
that there's something out there

610
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:32,960
now what kind of experiences have they

611
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:33,440
had

612
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:36,480
i mean is it road sightings or up close

613
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,840
well one for instance was a commissioned

614
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,240
officer it was three couples

615
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,200
and it was at rothrock state park and it

616
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:47,120
was a new trail that had been put in so

617
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,000
one

618
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,799
summer afternoon these three couples

619
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,880
decide to go out there and and take a

620
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,840
walk through this new trail

621
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,080
and uh the one guy was he was actually

622
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:00,240
armed he had a he had a sidearm on him

623
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,159
and he was uh he was a pennsylvania game

624
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:05,440
commission

625
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,280
employee and one of the women

626
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,960
from one of these couples happened to

627
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:12,799
turn around

628
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,679
and look back the trail and saw this

629
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,600
upright canine standing at the edge of

630
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,200
the trail

631
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,280
and she let out a scream and when she

632
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,880
left out a scream this thing took a

633
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:23,679
couple steps

634
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:27,760
forward and they were just frozen

635
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,280
in fear so uh by that

636
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,120
you know they made their way quickly to

637
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,880
the parking lot

638
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,640
and by the time they got there this

639
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,320
thing was standing here at the parking

640
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,510
it it was standing in the parking lot

641
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:45,760
where they needed to leave from

642
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,799
oh my god you know it doubled up behind

643
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,720
them and yeah up to the parking lot

644
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:53,200
uh you know of course they got in their

645
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,840
car

646
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,360
and this thing was standing on the other

647
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,360
end watching them

648
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,240
but uh yeah and this guy he was uh and

649
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,919
actually butch went up there

650
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,159
he went up to the location he talked to

651
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,840
the witnesses

652
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,640
and uh yeah pretty hairy and they know

653
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,960
this is something we've heard of before

654
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,960
i mean that they they will end up you

655
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,039
know they will see you

656
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,760
but they'll make themselves you know

657
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,360
they'll go around double back or

658
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,039
whatever and they'll make themselves

659
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:23,760
known so they are not afraid to be seen

660
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,200
no yeah they're on my no list i have a

661
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,919
a no list of things that i just i'm like

662
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,559
i'm good

663
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:33,039
i don't know i'm all set with that i

664
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,600
still

665
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:36,000
i miss the woods you know i'm back in in

666
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,039
the desert

667
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:39,600
and i mean i don't miss the winters but

668
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:40,960
i miss going camping but

669
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,520
i think that for mo for the most part a

670
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:45,520
lot of these dog man sightings

671
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,720
that any of us have taken

672
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,200
it's terrifying and it changes some of

673
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,200
these folks lives to where they're like

674
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,200
yeah the big city is looking better and

675
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:56,720
better to me i don't think i need to

676
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,200
live

677
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,919
near any patch of woods again well you

678
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,799
know i think back

679
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,320
when i was younger and i used to do a

680
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:04,799
lot of hunting when i was younger

681
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,320
and uh now that i i know

682
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,240
what people have been seeing in the

683
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,400
woods and other places

684
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,080
i wouldn't even think about going and

685
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,919
doing what i used to do there's just no

686
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,799
way

687
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,559
i just wouldn't do it there's just too

688
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,480
much out there

689
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,440
that uh a lot of people just don't know

690
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,320
about but it's out there

691
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,960
yeah definitely on the no list for me

692
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:29,919
they're just they're

693
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,279
angry angry uh creatures

694
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,760
they're they're very uh maybe they're

695
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:37,440
always hangry i don't know

696
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:38,799
quite what their problem is but they're

697
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,840
very feisty well you know

698
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,440
the report we've we've been getting

699
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:45,200
reports all over the place too i mean

700
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,080
it's just not

701
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:48,400
of course in pennsylvania of course some

702
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,120
of the

703
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,799
more harrowing reports that i've

704
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,200
received have been up in ontario

705
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:56,240
southern ontario and uh of course

706
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,120
there's always been

707
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,640
reports up in wisconsin in michigan so

708
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,039
yeah it's pretty uh pretty bad i mean i

709
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,880
i i definitely wouldn't want to come

710
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,400
across to hey i wouldn't even want to

711
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:07,840
come across a mothman

712
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:11,039
be honest with you yeah you know

713
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,559
you know especially these things that

714
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,159
people are seeing in chicago

715
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,520
with size and uh they do

716
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,440
seem to have a bit of temperament but

717
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:21,360
they're they're not as aggressive as say

718
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:24,799
the mothman at point pleasant but

719
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:28,159
they just are very shocking to people

720
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,520
you know it's funny i was at the bank

721
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,279
the other day well not the other day

722
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:33,200
it was like three weeks ago sorry a few

723
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:34,400
weeks ago

724
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,840
and it just it came up about what i did

725
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,799
and

726
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,760
this guy i was at one of the customer

727
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,000
service desks with this gentleman

728
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,520
and he goes yeah i i briefly mentioned

729
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:50,000
my shadow person encounter

730
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,919
that usually opens up a whole lot of

731
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,840
doors very easily and it did because

732
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:55,679
he's like yeah we were uh

733
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,640
just outside of vegas on the 95 and we

734
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,400
were coming back into town me a friend

735
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:01,919
of mine

736
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,039
and i and i was driving and he said

737
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:07,120
that and it was late 11 midnight

738
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,480
something like that but he said off to

739
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,760
the right side of the road and the

740
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:11,039
headlights

741
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,799
they had their brights on because uh

742
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,880
they were on a stretch of road that was

743
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,480
you know with no street lights and

744
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,320
nobody was coming towards them

745
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,679
and off to the right was this basically

746
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:22,559
a mothman

747
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,520
type of of creature and i said okay well

748
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,360
how tall was it he said between six and

749
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:28,720
seven feet tall

750
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:32,799
and it it it covered strongest the

751
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:33,520
ground

752
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,720
with these massive wings and you know i

753
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,080
said well how fast were you going

754
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,679
well we were you know on the freeway and

755
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,919
i slowed down a bit and we were children

756
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,720
but

757
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,760
both of us go past it and then we

758
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,000
both looked at each other into the

759
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,840
actual age was that

760
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,919
they both of course had seen it and i

761
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:54,000
said did you go back he's like heck no

762
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,200
we didn't go back

763
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,240
nope we just kept on driving well yeah i

764
00:28:03,150 --> 00:27:59,679
agree i think that

765
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,950
[Music]

766
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,870
i think it would just rock the

767
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,320
foundations of

768
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:13,039
the things that you think are are normal

769
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:14,640
and to me now

770
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,070
a more normal accepted thing but when

771
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,919
you start talking about

772
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,840
these massive dogmen with these ropey

773
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,440
muscles and the way that they move and

774
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:31,520
their joints are popping and cracking

775
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,480
and they're

776
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:35,120
very angry all the time and then i'm off

777
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,520
man

778
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,360
i'm like that yeah that's that's an

779
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,720
entirely

780
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,679
uh different beast pun intended well

781
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,399
that kind of comes into my next question

782
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,720
as far as bigfoot and even other

783
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,159
cryptids

784
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:50,880
uh as to the the theory of flesh and

785
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:51,520
blood or

786
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:54,640
supernatural what what do you think oh

787
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,440
that's tough

788
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,520
i mean that's kind of the question i

789
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:59,360
hate answering that question too but i

790
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,240
do yeah

791
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,360
no it's okay no no i yeah it gets asked

792
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:05,840
pretty much every time so that's okay

793
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,279
it's tough because and you've

794
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:11,120
you've taken these reports too you know

795
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:12,640
um the

796
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,080
bigfoot are doing weird things or

797
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,200
they see a bigfoot run up the hill

798
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,440
and it's even in snow and the snow plays

799
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,279
a big part in this

800
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,200
because it's leaving tracks and then all

801
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,640
of a sudden they get up to where they

802
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,880
know the bigfoot ran up the hill

803
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,080
and then all of a sudden the tracks

804
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,679
don't go left they don't go right there

805
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,960
was no tree to grab onto

806
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,279
they're just poof gone the track stopped

807
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,880
right in the middle of this

808
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,279
massive open area of of land with snow

809
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:40,720
on it

810
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:44,399
it's really hard to describe right or

811
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,320
of course the uh the famous or infamous

812
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:50,320
depending on who you ask the predator

813
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:54,640
type right the shimmery uh they can um

814
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,000
basically go invisible uh there are

815
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,120
very credible people that say they're

816
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,640
out hunting

817
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,000
and well you probably know exactly what

818
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,000
case i'm talking about but

819
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,039
you know um bruce mcabee's wife

820
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:11,200
it was featured in part of david

821
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,480
pilate's book

822
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:14,480
one of his books and she was out bow

823
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:15,520
hunting

824
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:19,200
and said that she saw this shimmery

825
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,120
being out in the woods so i i don't know

826
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,840
i don't want them at all and doesn't

827
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,520
matter what i want but i don't want them

828
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,159
to be paranormal at all because then

829
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,919
we'll probably never find out

830
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,000
what they are you know where they come

831
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,240
from how their family units work that's

832
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:38,240
all fascinating that everyday stuff is

833
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,640
so

834
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:41,440
fascinating to me and the fact that we

835
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,360
get so little juvenile reports

836
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,960
it it brings me hope a little bit in the

837
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,480
fact that i just think that they protect

838
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,320
them so well

839
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,159
uh but i i don't want them to be

840
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,720
anything paranormal

841
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:59,039
well you know you know perfectly well

842
00:31:03,029 --> 00:30:59,919
you know

843
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:03,039
maybe five to ten years ago the bigfoot

844
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:03,679
community

845
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:07,840
and for the most part i think it still

846
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,279
is but you have more

847
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,760
investigators researchers even people

848
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,679
that have been around a while

849
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:18,799
starting to open their minds up

850
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,240
to this interdimensional supernatural

851
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,080
possibility with bigfoot and other

852
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,159
cryptids

853
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:29,200
uh you know you talked about seeing an

854
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,200
orb associated with a possible bigfoot

855
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,799
and we've been getting those reports

856
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:36,880
here too

857
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,519
and uh you know that footprints had just

858
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,279
suddenly end

859
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,080
like it either disappeared or sprouted

860
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:46,559
wings and took off or did something

861
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:50,320
uh those become more prevalent

862
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,600
more and more so you know you got you

863
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,600
you got to wonder

864
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,519
what's really going on what do you make

865
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,440
of the whole you know you specifically

866
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:02,080
go out in the woods for bigfoot even if

867
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,720
you're

868
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,559
a thousand percent in the flesh and

869
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,159
blood camp and then

870
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,080
you see an orb i mean that's that's what

871
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,240
happened to me what do you make of that

872
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,480
what's is there a correlation is it just

873
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,080
a happenstance that

874
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,600
this maybe possibly natural occurrence

875
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,000
happen while you're out bigfooting

876
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,039
i i don't know i mean you know now our

877
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,039
mutual friend sean forker you look at

878
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,799
his experience

879
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,880
you know yes those guys were up there in

880
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:30,159
clearfield

881
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,600
they were in an area where they're

882
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,440
they're sure there's bigfoot activity

883
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,799
but they're

884
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,960
they're in a tent they hear something

885
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,559
moving about

886
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,880
they look out they see something but

887
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,000
they just don't really know

888
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:44,399
what it is you know it's something

889
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,080
that's moving fast but it's kind of like

890
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,519
it's not really solid you know

891
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,720
uh what did they experience you know

892
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,039
and in that same area those guys have

893
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,960
been talking about worm activity for

894
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,000
years now

895
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,760
i mean they have really seen some crazy

896
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:03,440
things there so

897
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:06,960
uh you know i i get

898
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,159
i guess the more and more you hear

899
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:12,720
the you know about uh bigfoot and

900
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,519
cryptids

901
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:16,080
and you know i've been getting you know

902
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,559
just

903
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,880
talking about the chicago sightings with

904
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:20,320
these winged humanoids

905
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,240
i have two reports of them just simply

906
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,240
vanishing like they went through

907
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:29,120
an invisible doorway you know while

908
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:30,240
they're flying

909
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:33,919
yeah how do you explain that um

910
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,120
you know it's something that

911
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:38,960
you know it's becoming more prevalent

912
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,600
now with cryptid activity

913
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,840
uh we even had an upright canine that

914
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,440
suddenly appeared

915
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,360
in front of someone who was walking

916
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:49,519
their dog and that was in clearfield

917
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,799
county

918
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:53,039
okay that scene of that that's just

919
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,080
messed up

920
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,399
yeah that's got to be worse than i think

921
00:33:59,549 --> 00:33:57,519
anything that

922
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,559
you could experience is it just

923
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,799
materializes

924
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,559
in front of you i mean you don't just

925
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:04,799
walk up on it it's just poof there it is

926
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,079
yeah and mind-blowing it's when in fact

927
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,919
it was one of the earliest

928
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,639
reports we got it was in a state uh

929
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,399
state game land

930
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,280
area near uh oh what was the town i

931
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,960
forget what it was pennville i guess

932
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,079
penville

933
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:22,159
anyway it was a this gentleman is

934
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:23,679
walking his dogs

935
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:27,200
and this thing just suddenly appeared

936
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,879
huge upright canine walking away from

937
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:31,440
them

938
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:35,040
dogs going nuts trying to break free go

939
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:36,159
after this thing and this

940
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:40,000
this this creature didn't even seem to

941
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:40,480
even

942
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,000
were there

943
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,520
um so you know

944
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,639
was it another dimension was it parallel

945
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,440
or what i don't know what what was it

946
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,560
and

947
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,560
you know that's that's just something

948
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:58,240
that we've been getting

949
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:02,079
that you know it really puts uh yeah it

950
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:03,440
puts a monkey wrench in

951
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,800
theories i guess it does it really does

952
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,240
and it makes you wonder if the dog had

953
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,440
gotten loose

954
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:11,920
would it just have ran right through the

955
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,560
thing

956
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:15,119
you know or i mean like you said maybe

957
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,079
it was

958
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,560
like you kind of mentioned another

959
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,760
dimension like maybe

960
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,520
like basically like a glitch in the

961
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:23,440
matrix right it just kind of blips in

962
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,079
and out and

963
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,680
i've said that it's so cool that you

964
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,280
said that because i've said that about

965
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,880
the only thing i've ever seen with my

966
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,800
own eyes besides the orb

967
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:33,040
was those four shadow people running in

968
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:34,400
the woods when i was a teenager that's

969
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,359
what got me

970
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,920
started on all of that stuff and i

971
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:39,280
always say

972
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,640
they didn't interact with me they didn't

973
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,320
look over they didn't wave and

974
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,760
you know i think it would have been a

975
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,680
much different experience had they

976
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,200
interacted with me but they didn't

977
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:50,160
it was still impactful but i often have

978
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,560
said

979
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,040
i wonder if if i just got a glimpse into

980
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,560
another world for a second

981
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,839
you know because they certainly weren't

982
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,280
interacting with the trees that they

983
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,400
were running

984
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,560
running by and and quote unquote through

985
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,160
either so

986
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,640
i i don't know i don't know you're

987
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:06,880
telling me that story

988
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:10,240
and uh you were on a you were on a tv or

989
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,119
something and

990
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,960
you just happen to see these things in

991
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,480
the woods

992
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,480
but you know what i have heard other

993
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:17,920
people describe

994
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,800
various under instances where they would

995
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:21,920
be somewhere

996
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,119
uh out outdoors or somewhere and

997
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,599
they would see a series of shadow people

998
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,119
shadowing them

999
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:32,240
basically and

1000
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,920
it shows like um basically paralleling

1001
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,640
them but

1002
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,320
so they were interacting with them see

1003
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:40,000
that would be extremely scary

1004
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,160
to me yeah that would change at all

1005
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,720
i mean what is that you know you you you

1006
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,000
also mentioned earlier about the

1007
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,920
glimmering man effect you know just like

1008
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,680
predator movies

1009
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,599
i i get more and more of that all the

1010
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,440
time now i mean you know

1011
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,839
people wonder what that is or they see

1012
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,920
something that seems to

1013
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,720
manifest and then this uh this thing

1014
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:05,359
turns into this glimmering man effect

1015
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:09,839
uh right and is it doing that because it

1016
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,320
can't

1017
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,880
fully like you said manifest is probably

1018
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:14,320
the right word it could be it can't

1019
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:15,040
fully

1020
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,800
get there or is is that its intention is

1021
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,680
to to stay

1022
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,440
right right at that perfect place where

1023
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,440
you're going what in the world is that

1024
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,200
that's the question i mean is it

1025
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,599
something that's trying to manifest

1026
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,320
that can only do but so much or is it

1027
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,079
actually cloaking somehow

1028
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:34,640
right you know that that's the big

1029
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,520
question

1030
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:37,119
and i mean is it something that's

1031
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:38,720
relative to

1032
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:41,839
cryptid activity even spirit activity

1033
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:46,240
uh you know i i i become more and more

1034
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:49,680
convinced that the paranormal is so

1035
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:53,359
connected in so many ways that uh you

1036
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:54,320
know

1037
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,400
ufo's cryptids spirit activity

1038
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,320
the whole the whole nine yards is

1039
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:02,079
somehow connected

1040
00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:05,599
to each other and um you know i

1041
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,630
i i see more and more that that kind of

1042
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:09,839
[Music]

1043
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:12,640
you know coincides i mean it's you know

1044
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,040
it

1045
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:16,160
sounds crazy to some people but i don't

1046
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,480
know

1047
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:19,200
there's something definitely going on i

1048
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:20,400
mean i think anything is

1049
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,160
possible and you you did mention ufos

1050
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:25,760
and i think one of the

1051
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:29,200
the glaring things that comes

1052
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,839
out for all this as far as things that

1053
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,040
people don't want

1054
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:36,160
to be connected and it you know you take

1055
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:36,720
the

1056
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:41,280
examples for that

1057
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:44,320
is when you have a quote-unquote classic

1058
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,920
abduction case and i don't mean to

1059
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,760
diminish that in any way by calling it

1060
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,960
classic but

1061
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,400
you know you're taking up on the ship

1062
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,079
you're experimented on you

1063
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,680
you get put back home but then

1064
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,200
unfortunately at home

1065
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,200
you're experiencing basically

1066
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,800
poltergeist activity

1067
00:39:01,349 --> 00:39:00,000
we're not talking about just you're

1068
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,359
seeing grays in your room we're talking

1069
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,440
about dishes are flying around

1070
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,040
things are not you know there's rapping

1071
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,720
on the on the doors and

1072
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,560
things are happening that shouldn't be

1073
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,720
associated with aliens in any way shape

1074
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:12,960
or form

1075
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,359
more and i'd say most um

1076
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,760
experiencers let's put it that way

1077
00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:20,880
people that have

1078
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,520
had interactions with uh

1079
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:27,599
non-terrestrials more and more

1080
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:30,960
of these witnesses do

1081
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:34,320
experience some type of um

1082
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,839
unexplained phenomena that you wouldn't

1083
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,640
associate with alien activity

1084
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,880
right that you associate more with

1085
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,680
paranormal spirit or entity activity

1086
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,960
right uh is the energy

1087
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:51,680
so close or so similar that it causes

1088
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,240
that

1089
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,440
something i've always been looking i'm

1090
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,200
always looking into

1091
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,320
uh the connections between

1092
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:03,520
uh energy spirit activity and

1093
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,119
extraterrestrial ebe activity

1094
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,599
there does seem to be a lot of uh

1095
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,200
similar

1096
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,400
aspects to that but then again then you

1097
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:16,160
look into the cryptids you talk to

1098
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,040
people

1099
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,200
who have seen bigfoot coming out of

1100
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,400
spacecraft

1101
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,040
or you know other things that may be

1102
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,960
related you know you talked to stan

1103
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:27,200
gordon you know and the ufo bigfoot

1104
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,160
connection

1105
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,119
yeah that you know he has investigated

1106
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,880
for years

1107
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,720
you know you hear a lot about that as

1108
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,480
well and now of course we

1109
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,200
we more and more we get these bigfoot

1110
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,040
sightings that where an investigator

1111
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,200
will go out to where the bigfoot

1112
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,640
had been reported and see orbs

1113
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,280
so what's that all about i can tell you

1114
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,520
that i was

1115
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,520
i mean it was cool that happened but i

1116
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:54,880
was slightly

1117
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,680
i was definitely flabbergasted when i

1118
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,760
saw the orb with

1119
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,000
the other people with me um you know wes

1120
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:04,000
was out there and kirk brandenburg and

1121
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:05,680
of course john brown

1122
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,760
and i was i was really taken aback by

1123
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:10,720
that and i was

1124
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:14,160
almost uh frustrated i wasn't angry but

1125
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:14,880
i was just

1126
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:17,839
frustrated because i i was going did we

1127
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,400
did that

1128
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,400
really just happen well we're out here

1129
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:22,480
for bigfoot are we one of those now you

1130
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,119
know i was

1131
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,839
a little miffed by it um i mean it's so

1132
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:27,599
cool that it happened and

1133
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:30,880
and it did uh and there was other people

1134
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,160
to verify thankfully

1135
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,800
i'm sure it's always frustrating well i

1136
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,640
know firsthand because my brothers were

1137
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,240
ahead of me on their foilers so i was

1138
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:41,680
the only one that saw the shadow people

1139
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,160
but

1140
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,920
it's always great to have other people

1141
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:45,680
witness something with you

1142
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,200
but you know we have the i i guess the

1143
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,680
the best thing was you know we were all

1144
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:54,160
in that same camp flesh and blood

1145
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:57,839
and even kirk had this

1146
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:02,000
a fantastic flear thermal monocular and

1147
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,200
he's going i

1148
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,760
that's not a guy i got i've got no heat

1149
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,720
signature like

1150
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:08,319
we just thought he dove down in the

1151
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,440
ground because he got freaked out

1152
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,800
because he saw people looking at him you

1153
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,480
know in the middle of the night

1154
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:14,400
nothing there and we're kind of going

1155
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:15,599
what in the

1156
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,880
world but uh you know i'm missing a

1157
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,319
little portion of the story which is

1158
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:21,599
also interesting

1159
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,319
not impossible that this was people as

1160
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,240
far as this part goes but

1161
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,440
as we exited that building that was

1162
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,520
kind of falling apart that's why we had

1163
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,720
a good view of this

1164
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,280
uh quote-unquote orb we exited the

1165
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,960
building because the rain had stopped

1166
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,800
and we're still trying to therm for the

1167
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:40,640
crazy person running in the woods with

1168
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:41,200
the

1169
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,960
okay because he took a big digger into

1170
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:46,160
the ground

1171
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,240
um there was a metal building next to us

1172
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,440
and something slapped it very very hard

1173
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:54,319
and made a

1174
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,920
racket of a noise boom boom boom and um

1175
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:58,960
scared that

1176
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,000
bejesus out of us for sure uh because at

1177
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,839
that point we're focused on this over

1178
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,000
here and now we have this action off to

1179
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,760
our right it was right next to us and we

1180
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,000
immediately walked around

1181
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,240
and there's nothing there now again i

1182
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,920
cannot discount that as a person

1183
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,599
at all but the the orb thing was

1184
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:18,000
definitely very strange

1185
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,000
but i i mean the point of that was i was

1186
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,400
slightly miffed at seeing the orb while

1187
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,000
we're out for bigfoot you know

1188
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:29,280
but john brown himself who that was his

1189
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,480
property the brown property in

1190
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:32,000
washington state everyone is probably

1191
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:32,960
very

1192
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:36,800
familiar with their uh linebacker on the

1193
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,280
ridge

1194
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:40,560
thermal shot right with the yeah

1195
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,000
so he told us that uh

1196
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,160
off to the left of their property you

1197
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,839
could see this

1198
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,079
basically a massive ridge that that

1199
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,920
climbs in elevation

1200
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,800
and in amongst the trees on more than

1201
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,760
one occasion

1202
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,839
he had seen what he thought were just

1203
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:58,800
random

1204
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,520
campfires burning you know and then one

1205
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,280
would wink out and another one would

1206
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,359
start up and he's just going i don't

1207
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,800
know if they were campfires but that's

1208
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,520
just

1209
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:10,000
what i call them so it was going on

1210
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,200
there

1211
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:12,880
you know more than just the one time

1212
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,109
well you know you do you hear about a

1213
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,800
lot of different

1214
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,280
light orbs and all types of other things

1215
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:24,960
associated with

1216
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,480
cryptids and such so you know i i just

1217
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,760
think i just think there's

1218
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,359
definitely some type of connection there

1219
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,000
you know and you we talked about

1220
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:37,040
the upper arcanized eyes dogman and you

1221
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,240
know there

1222
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,400
possibly being some type of connection

1223
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:41,920
with the bigfoot you know

1224
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:44,640
this is one thing that has always gotten

1225
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,040
me

1226
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,839
kind of in a you know a bit of a tizzy

1227
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:48,960
you know or

1228
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,000
people seeing actual bigfoot are

1229
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,640
actual dogmen or upright canines what

1230
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,240
are they actually seeing

1231
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,480
right i mean is this something that may

1232
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,040
be interchangeable at some point

1233
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,400
uh i don't know you know i have gotten

1234
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:06,319
reports

1235
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,000
have uh

1236
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,079
swore they saw a bigfoot but when when

1237
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,240
you get the report

1238
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,200
and you start wondering well i've never

1239
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:19,280
heard of bigfoot that had a thin waist

1240
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:19,839
or

1241
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,480
get that occasionally uh you know they

1242
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:28,079
just assume it's a bigfoot because

1243
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,359
that's what they know about they don't

1244
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,119
know anything about the upright canines

1245
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,119
or dogman

1246
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,000
so um i mean that's just something else

1247
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,599
consider it but you know there's a lot

1248
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:38,640
to consider

1249
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,000
in this whole genre you know you're

1250
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,480
you're a lot like me where you you're an

1251
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,319
eclectic as far as the

1252
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,880
paranormal goes you uh you just don't

1253
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,400
concentrate on one thing

1254
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,920
you take you know of course you're on

1255
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:54,000
the radio you're doing interviews of

1256
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,200
course you would with

1257
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,640
seth and them with small monsters and uh

1258
00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:00,319
you talk to a lot of different people

1259
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,640
and

1260
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:03,680
you can get a lot of different uh takes

1261
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:04,079
on

1262
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,800
yeah and that's the thing because you'll

1263
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,480
be talking to someone and i know what's

1264
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,760
happened to you too

1265
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,119
you'll get like a quick email or

1266
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,200
something and oh i've got a bigfoot

1267
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,240
encounter or oh hey you know i saw a

1268
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:25,839
craft one night

1269
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:29,040
and then it just completely unfolds from

1270
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,240
there and it keeps

1271
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:33,040
unfolding and the details just you know

1272
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,359
where

1273
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,359
it it start it's basically looks like a

1274
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:37,440
pyramid it starts so small at the top

1275
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,720
and you think it'll be a big foot

1276
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,200
encounter and then it just opens up into

1277
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,640
all of these other

1278
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,440
subjects basically uh and it becomes a

1279
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,040
brain dump for somebody

1280
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:49,839
and then you're kind of left to go oh

1281
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,319
gosh

1282
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,520
you know another one of these which is

1283
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,359
it's great for us because we we love to

1284
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:55,520
consume this stuff and it just adds more

1285
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:56,079
data

1286
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,480
the pilot

1287
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,800
it goes you know both ways on that one

1288
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,240
right but

1289
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,880
uh i i'm finding that more and more i'll

1290
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,680
have somebody

1291
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,280
and i love the emails that are very

1292
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,200
vague i don't want to know all the

1293
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,800
details before i talk to somebody it's

1294
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,839
my favorite thing

1295
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,599
because you know the questions just form

1296
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,960
more naturally that way because you're

1297
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,800
just going oh my gosh my mind is blown

1298
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:20,880
well what about this what about that

1299
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,000
and it's happening more and more

1300
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,839
big time i don't know what to make of

1301
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,680
that you know i don't i don't

1302
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,440
like i said i i hate to keep saying this

1303
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,240
but i don't want

1304
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,440
i would rather the and travis walton

1305
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:37,200
will tell you this himself i haven't met

1306
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,000
him but i know this

1307
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:40,800
is how he feels about it firing the

1308
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,280
actual

1309
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,880
the movie fire in the sky the big

1310
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:45,040
blockbuster movie was not what happened

1311
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:45,599
to him

1312
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,359
you know but that's what i would rather

1313
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:51,119
think of and that sounds so bad to say i

1314
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,640
don't mean like as far as the horrible

1315
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,680
stuff that happened to him but

1316
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,599
i'm just saying like i would rather the

1317
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,960
aliens be over here

1318
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,559
and they're taking samples and then

1319
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,680
they're going back in their ships and

1320
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:01,119
they're dropping people off and it's

1321
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,760
horrible

1322
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,839
and that but that's where they stay

1323
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,960
they're not

1324
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:07,440
creating poltergeist activity or that's

1325
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,240
not tied in

1326
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,960
to the you know ghost stuff or you know

1327
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,920
uh demons

1328
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:14,240
uh i mean now peop you know it's the

1329
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,119
aliens or

1330
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,240
demons thing it is getting even

1331
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,480
bigger now i'm sure that you know you're

1332
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,400
well aware of that so

1333
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:25,200
it's so tough out here now i mean i love

1334
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:25,680
it

1335
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:29,119
because there's a lot to um to chew on

1336
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,319
uh intellectually but it's tough why are

1337
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,400
there a lot of variables you know i i

1338
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:35,760
wrote this last book

1339
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:39,119
the uh alien disclosure book and of

1340
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,520
course

1341
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,760
you know my case with david eckhart and

1342
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,440
all the variables that have been

1343
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,720
involved with him

1344
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,040
you know with abduction and yeah you

1345
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,760
know experimentation he's witnessed

1346
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,079
you know i i can't you know and there's

1347
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,599
just no way

1348
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,680
i can come out and tell everything that

1349
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,359
he has told me

1350
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,400
uh you know some of it's so remarkable

1351
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,319
i know i mean even stuff i've talked

1352
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:04,559
about seems too remarkable

1353
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,760
but you know people got to realize he's

1354
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,520
not the only person who's telling this

1355
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:10,800
stuff

1356
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,839
you know there are a lot of people that

1357
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,920
have been experiencing very similar

1358
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,359
phenomena

1359
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,280
that either just are too afraid to come

1360
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:21,200
out or just don't want to go into detail

1361
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:25,680
fortunately david's going into detail

1362
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,119
and uh he has offered so much to me

1363
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:32,720
and the way i'm seeing things as opposed

1364
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,200
to

1365
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,760
uh what a lot of a lot of people think

1366
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,599
about with aliens you know

1367
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,520
i i hate it when these people tell me

1368
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,000
well i wish i was abducted i'd like to

1369
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,400
go through that oh no you don't

1370
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,280
you know mom you had no idea what you're

1371
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,119
getting into

1372
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,119
uh you know i've talked to people who

1373
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:53,359
have inducted several times it's a

1374
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,200
family thing it's a generational thing

1375
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:00,480
it's like a nightmare yeah

1376
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,000
so and and more and more it's so much

1377
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,359
bigger than just you're aboard a craft

1378
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,200
and you have a bump on your leg or

1379
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,800
something or in the back your neck the

1380
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,000
next day and you don't quite

1381
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:14,240
remember what happened it is so much

1382
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,280
more than that

1383
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,880
when you really start to talk to these

1384
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,119
people yeah yeah

1385
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,040
every day i mean forget the not sleeping

1386
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,960
and stuff that is a given

1387
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,280
you know the the not sleeping well would

1388
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,359
be

1389
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,520
a hazard of the process i'm sure but

1390
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:31,359
it's everything else that comes along

1391
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,079
with it

1392
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,640
i mean but don't you sometimes wonder

1393
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,920
them

1394
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,960
if every single thing that we talk about

1395
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,520
is the result of just one thing and

1396
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,920
we're just not putting it together

1397
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,599
you know that's that's a distinct

1398
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:48,480
possibility i think that all the time

1399
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:52,800
i mean is there is there one uh

1400
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,640
single variable that just you know

1401
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,960
it creates all these outshoots and you

1402
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,800
know it's just one thing that's actually

1403
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:01,839
causing all this

1404
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:06,160
right like the ultimate puppeteer

1405
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,920
yeah i was thinking the same thing yeah

1406
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:09,359
i mean you know we don't need to like

1407
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,640
call it god or something we're just

1408
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,640
saying like the ultimate you know just

1409
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,640
a master of puppets up there and he's

1410
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,559
like well today you're gonna

1411
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,960
yeah we're gonna create this for you and

1412
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:20,960
you're never gonna sleep right again

1413
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,160
congratulations you know this is the one

1414
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,160
thing that david has told me from the

1415
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,680
very beginning

1416
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:30,480
that has messed with my mind and but has

1417
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:31,760
kind of

1418
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:35,040
given me a perspective of things he he

1419
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,800
has talked about

1420
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,599
the reptilians that he you know

1421
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,160
especially the one reptilian that was

1422
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,480
the one who had taken him to these

1423
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:46,880
various locations

1424
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:50,160
and this thing basically told

1425
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:53,599
him that they do have a supreme being

1426
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:54,000
that

1427
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:58,160
all or most of these races look up to

1428
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,760
that they follow well is it the same

1429
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,240
our same god that people believe in

1430
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,240
right so he meant even

1431
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,720
our quote unquote earthbound uh beings

1432
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:09,920
like bigfoot or dogma

1433
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:13,599
or any of it so everything wow wow

1434
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,280
you know you know what's that all about

1435
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,000
i mean you know i mean we're sitting

1436
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:22,079
here talking about orbs in the woods and

1437
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,359
bigfoot and upright

1438
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,520
you know canines and all this stuff so

1439
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:27,040
is it that crazy to say that

1440
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,880
i don't think so i i don't

1441
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:33,359
and anything is possible at this point

1442
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:33,920
yeah

1443
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:36,480
i mean you know i i've been doing this

1444
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,440
for a long time

1445
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,960
and i've heard a lot of different things

1446
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:40,800
and you you i would think

1447
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,240
sometimes well i've heard all nah

1448
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,720
there's always something that pops up

1449
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,760
that that just

1450
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,839
totally blows your mind and makes you

1451
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:51,040
think everything

1452
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:54,640
yeah yeah so

1453
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:57,680
there you go so

1454
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,839
what what's the future of bigfoot

1455
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,440
research what do you think

1456
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,200
how where do you think it's going to go

1457
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:04,800
next oh

1458
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,400
another good one for milan um

1459
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,160
well you know i wish people would stop

1460
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:11,760
just arguing on facebook

1461
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,440
about stuff that would be a good start

1462
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,280
i mean that's not gonna happen but you

1463
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,880
know that's like delving into politics

1464
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:20,000
it's just a waste of time

1465
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:27,349
i think that we're still so split on

1466
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:30,079
you know we need a body we don't need a

1467
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,720
body

1468
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:33,040
well science science science needs it

1469
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,000
and it i

1470
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,200
will agree that it does um

1471
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:39,599
i don't know what the future looks like

1472
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,240
for big

1473
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:43,119
foot research but you know if you take

1474
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,000
the cutaway

1475
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,119
that i'm seeing just online

1476
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,920
it's not good it really worries me it

1477
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:50,640
worries me

1478
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:53,839
a lot but there are still a lot of

1479
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:57,040
young people that are interested in it

1480
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:57,839
which makes me

1481
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,040
hopeful in fact one of the people that

1482
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:03,839
was recently on my show and i won't

1483
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,839
mention her name but her son you know

1484
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,319
knows of me and knows that i'm you know

1485
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:12,160
i'm around to help them out with their

1486
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,680
situation and

1487
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,480
he made a little video about bigfoot and

1488
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,440
uh

1489
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:19,680
i i just think it's wonderful because

1490
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:20,559
he's only

1491
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,240
four and he's totally into bigfoot

1492
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,599
and he can't wait to to just

1493
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,119
learn everything that he can about them

1494
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,880
and he's talking about they

1495
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,640
here's what they like to eat and here's

1496
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,720
where they sleep and

1497
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:37,119
i think if we it's no different than the

1498
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:38,160
ufo field

1499
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,520
i know that ryan sprague has talked

1500
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,440
about this a lot he's like we need

1501
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,720
the young guns to come up and it's great

1502
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,160
to have the originals you know like the

1503
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,000
four horsemen of ufo and the four

1504
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,520
horsemen of bigfoot and all this stuff

1505
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,119
that's great and they

1506
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,920
they paved the way for everybody but we

1507
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,960
need people

1508
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,119
to get out into the woods and here i sit

1509
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,200
saying this in in the desert of las

1510
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,480
vegas of course but

1511
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:03,119
you know if i was jets that i'd be in

1512
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:03,760
you know in

1513
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,640
ohio and pennsylvania every weekend but

1514
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,839
i'm not

1515
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,680
but we need people out in the woods and

1516
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,839
coming up with maybe some fresh ideas on

1517
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:13,200
how to

1518
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,559
even think it's so much about

1519
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,559
maybe proving them to science i think

1520
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:22,480
that's no different than disclosure for

1521
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,359
ufos

1522
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,280
right like we're always that's the it's

1523
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,559
the d word and

1524
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:29,040
yeah um i don't think that's ever gonna

1525
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,839
happen

1526
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,880
no honestly and honestly if you have

1527
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,000
your own confirmation

1528
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,040
experience isn't that pretty dang cool

1529
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,920
in and of itself anyway i mean i live in

1530
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,760
vegas and everyone goes oh well you must

1531
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,680
see ufos all the time i've not

1532
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:45,599
seen one single thing that i could not

1533
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:49,359
identify so i've seen no ufos

1534
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,799
uh even though i'm uh in in las vegas

1535
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,359
but the future basically just needs to

1536
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:56,880
be

1537
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,599
still keeping that open mind getting out

1538
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:00,720
in the woods

1539
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,920
sharing sharing what you know

1540
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:06,640
people get really hung up on uh and i

1541
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,040
get

1542
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,880
maybe if it's you know a certain

1543
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,400
property that people can't

1544
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,480
visit or something i get that because

1545
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:14,400
people get nuts with you know

1546
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,839
they're bringing guns out and stuff

1547
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:18,240
we've seen old newspaper reports like

1548
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,960
that right

1549
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,720
like you boggy creek look what happened

1550
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:22,480
there but

1551
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:26,000
uh people just need to to get out there

1552
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,319
and

1553
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:29,520
judgmental

1554
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,079
either of other folks that are actually

1555
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,990
so um tell

1556
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,000
folks how they can get your book and

1557
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,680
what projects do you have in the future

1558
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,000
yeah so uh beyond the fray bigfoot is of

1559
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,920
course on amazon

1560
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,760
we've got uh the paperback and the

1561
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,280
kindle and we are working

1562
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:54,079
on the audiobook i know people have been

1563
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:55,760
asking about that

1564
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,720
and uh actually in the future right at

1565
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,000
this moment

1566
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:02,400
uh in the future it will be uh up for

1567
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,520
grabs is

1568
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:05,760
uh the second volume of beyond the fray

1569
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,319
and it is titled paramalgamation

1570
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,880
and that's a word that i came up with uh

1571
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,760
for

1572
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,599
an episode of mine a while back that i

1573
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,760
just it was an amalgamation it was all

1574
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,280
over the place i'm like what am i going

1575
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,119
to title this episode because

1576
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:21,040
i pride myself on the titles right it

1577
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,160
has to grab people

1578
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:24,319
so it was paranormal and it was all over

1579
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:25,520
the place so

1580
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:29,520
pair amalgamation uh so we're hoping for

1581
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,240
well we'd love for early april release

1582
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,319
for that but maybe mid april we'll see

1583
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:36,240
but that is up for pre-order right now

1584
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:37,520
on amazon

1585
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,440
and uh of course small town monsters

1586
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,599
uh on the trail of ufos will be out

1587
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:45,599
shortly the kickstarter is still up for

1588
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,160
people

1589
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,720
if they wanted to back any of the the

1590
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,960
three projects for 2020 for small town

1591
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,440
monsters just go to kickstarter.com

1592
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:56,160
and search small 10 monsters and we've

1593
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:56,799
got some

1594
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:00,079
of course uh mothman stuff coming up and

1595
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:03,440
i think the the new stretch goal is uh

1596
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,559
looking at the lake michigan mothman so

1597
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:09,359
uh pretty cool i would be i'd be so

1598
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:10,319
excited to

1599
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,839
to work on that um any mothman stuff so

1600
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:16,319
a lot coming up for not only beyond the

1601
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:17,040
fray but

1602
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,720
for uh projects with small town monsters

1603
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,960
well excellent well shannon thanks again

1604
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:24,799
for coming on the show

1605
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,760
and we got to talk soon absolutely well

1606
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,119
you too long you're welcome on

1607
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:31,200
into the fray anytime thank you so much

1608
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:32,319
you take care now and have a good

1609
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,119
weekend

1610
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,319
all right you too bye-bye

1611
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,920
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1612
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,760
or sighting feel free to contact me

1613
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:41,359
through the phantoms and monsters blog

1614
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:42,240
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1615
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:43,680
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1616
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1617
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,160
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1618
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,680
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1619
00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:51,760
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1620
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,280
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1621
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,960
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1622
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,880
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1623
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:00,160
appreciated

1624
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:03,200
i once again thank shannon legro

1625
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,319
for joining me this evening and i want

1626
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:08,799
to thank you for listening to the show

1627
00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:20,190
weekend

1628
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:32,830
[Music]

1629
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:57,910
[Applause]